Thinking Categories and Kinesthetic Thinking

I had my mind blown 2 nights ago when I realized I have Aphantasia through a YouTube video. I've been deep in the sauce since and have been consuming a ton of content on Aphantasia, one of the most insightful being a video by the "Aphantasia Network" called "Are People with Aphantasia Verbal Thinkers? Dr. Julia Simner". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzg_tdFrPhc)

I was perplexed with the content and nature of the video, especially when they mention ways of thinking and visualizing. In the video, they mostly contrast visual thinking and verbal thinking, with a small mention of spacial imagery/thinking.

I haven't been able to find any significant information or meaningful mentioning of "kinesthetic" thinking. I mention this because in one the most useful test questions I've have seen: "How many windows are in your house/apartment?", my process of thinking is something along the lines of:

I'm a black fog of static entity moving through a black space with objects that are black on a black backdrop (I definitely can't see anything) where I just know if the space has a window or not. I then roll/glide to a different room until I cover all the rooms (No teleportation from room to room).

Me and my sister were CrossFit trainers at one point in our lives. She does not have Aphantasia and she asked me how I imagined movements like a snatch? I told her I move in my mind and experience the feeling of weight, how my body feels going through the motion, the position my body is in, the weight hitting the body, the balance, but I've never seen myself doing it to any capacity. Her experience was seeing herself doing the movement from the outside.

I am a software architect and build very complex distributed systems that I can "map" in my mind. When I imagine interactions between these systems I again feel myself as that black fog of static entity moving through a series of "pipes?/circuits?/channels?" being mutated by the processes happening in each step of the service interaction until I come out the other side. My colleagues said they map interactions in their mind by painting a flow chart like with shapes and lines mapping the interactions across these systems.

I was asked by one of them how I imagine a scenario where I don't know a piece of the puzzle. In that case I feel as if there is another black fog of static blocking my path, when I solve it, I feel like I can move unhindered through the pipe/channel which feels super satisfying. I can also "move" past the static to continue the process if I need to.

In short, when thinking about processes I feel as a mutable entity moving through "something" that represents the process and how it changes or can change me at each step. This doesn't feel particularly "spatial" either. This applies to the movement example, where I just feel like I am an entity shaped/representing my body and its perceptions.

I'm no expert, but this my visualization is quite often like this which is not visual or verbal. I am particularly good with logical thinking, processes, and debugging and programming uses these extensively and its the first thing I've ever done for a job that felt "easy" or "natural" in my life and I have the perception that I struggle a lot less compared to all peers I've worked with. I have a suspicion it has to do with Aphantasia and somehow with this type of visualization in particular.

I've ran past a few comments that have been eye opening and wanted to see if anyone feels something similar as well. The most similar comment to express this was in a YouTube video I lost track of that labeled it as "radar vision/thinking" so I'm hoping there are more people that experience this.

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Thank you for your post!

Decades ago, I first realized that other people had mental images in a way that I did not. At that time, the word “aphantasia” had not been coined, and I didn’t find to much to refer to, but I did talk to people I knew about what I had discovered that was strange about me. I assumed I was not unique, but it took me more than 30 years to interact with anyone else who knew that they did not have visual imagery. The many visualizers I spoke with were somewhat curious about how someone might not be able to visualize. Because visualization was such a large part of their own mental processes, a couple of people wanted to know, if I didn’t visualize, how did I think? That question was cause of much introspection on my part.

The metaphor I came up with was somewhat like a cross between your description of imagining how your body feels if it were to make a specific movement and your description of imagining yourself as a “black fog of static entity” moving through a space you are trying to map. The metaphor I came up with about how I think is that I feel that I am in a completely black cave, feeling my way, twisting my body into shapes that I might not even be able to actually assume, finding connections that I am not ready to put into words. It’s not really a verbal experience, except for brief feelings of “oh that!” or “this could belong with that!” But then, eventually, I feel ready to use my words to describe my thoughts.

Perhaps related, when I had difficult technical issues to resolve, I often found it useful to set the problem aside, go for a walk, or maybe for a swim. It seemed as though the physical activity of walking or swimming shook loose some new ideas that eventually bubbled to the surface. So maybe that’s why when I’m just thinking, but not moving, I have a sense of mentally moving my body, and most especially my hands, through some completely non-visual space.

Thank you for your reply Alice! I think part of what makes it so hard to describe is due to it not being visual or auditory in nature so its extremely complicated to explain it lexically. The part where you said “twisting my body into shapes that I might not even be able to actually assume, finding connections that I am not ready to put into words” is something I can absolutely understand in a visceral way.

Walking is my go-to activity for problem solving. I usually have to pull myself out of my world when tackling a problem and force myself to walk and then everything just pieces itself together. 15 minutes of walking often equate to hours of working and iterating unclearly, not even thinking about the problem by just leaving it there in my head as a background task.

Fantastic to hear someone else’s PoV on this “kinesthetic” thinking/imagining. I think as time goes on I’ll find much better ways to express this way of thinking.

Thank you very much for sharing!

See, thinking is just a process of connecting things, of establishing relations between objects. Is a rational ability, but not the only one. The other is “feeling”, which is not the same thing as sensation. It’s the function that regulates the relations between objects and ourselves, and produces a negative or positive response based on this interaction.
Feeling is of two types: extroverted or introverted. This difference is based on wether the “libido” is directed outwards, toward exterior objects, or inward. It has nothing to do with being shy, self conscious, or not. The libido is the psychological energy, upon which our ability to perform certain tasks depends. If it’s directed outwards we are involved in public relations, we manipulate objects, we struggle to change the world ecc. If it’s inwards, we don’t interact directly with the world, but we do it through the mediation of a subjective factor, which can be our idea of the world, the sensations we feel in our body, in other words anything that is related to ourselves, to pur sense of self.
Now, I’m telling you this bc your type of visualization seems built upon an introverted feeling. It’s a feeling bc, you say, you don’t see things. During this experiences you are completely unaware of the spatial relations between those objects, until you come in contact with them. The experience of their relation depends on your ability to structure it through their subsequent and continuos interaction with you.
It’s introverted bc of the necessity of your presence to form this architecture.
That explains why your thinking seems to accelerate, if become more proficient, when you begin to exercise, do physical activity. You need to feel your body in other to think, bc your thinking is grounded on a subjective factor: you think through change, through the many expressions of how your sense of self changes. From this, you infere the change in the object that corresponds to that change you have felt in your body.
This process evolves through a series of yes or no. You move, then the interaction with the object begins: if it generates a positive feedback, you go through, if not, the objects gets left behind, with all the rest of its possible fearures. This happens bc of that subjective factor, that forces the interaction into a process made of binary choices.
That’s why, probably, informatics and computer science is so intuitive for you. You thinking is literally shaped after that.

See, thinking is just a process of connecting things, of establishing relations between objects. Is a rational ability, but not the only one. The other is “feeling”, which is not the same thing as sensation. It’s the function that regulates the relations between objects and ourselves, and produces a negative or positive response based on this interaction.
Feeling is of two types: extroverted or introverted. This difference is based on wether the “libido” is directed outwards, toward exterior objects, or inward. It has nothing to do with being shy, self conscious, or not. The libido is the psychological energy, upon which our ability to perform certain tasks depends. If it’s directed outwards we are involved in public relations, we manipulate objects, we struggle to change the world ecc. If it’s inwards, we don’t interact directly with the world, but we do it through the mediation of a subjective factor, which can be our idea of the world, the sensations we feel in our body, in other words anything that is related to ourselves, to pur sense of self.
Now, I’m telling you this bc your type of visualization seems built upon an introverted feeling. It’s a feeling bc, you say, you don’t see things. During this experiences you are completely unaware of the spatial relations between those objects, until you come in contact with them. The experience of their relation depends on your ability to structure it through their subsequent and continuos interaction with you.
It’s introverted bc of the necessity of your presence to form this architecture.
That explains why your thinking seems to accelerate, if become more proficient, when you begin to exercise, do physical activity. You need to feel your body in order to think, bc your thinking is grounded on a subjective factor: you think through change, through the many expressions of how your sense of self changes. From this, you infere the change in the object that corresponds to that change you have felt in your body.
This process evolves through a series of yes or no. You move, then the interaction with the object begins: if it generates a positive feedback, you go through, if not, the objects gets left behind, with all the rest of its possible features. This happens bc of that subjective factor, that forces the interaction into a process made of binary choices.
That’s why, probably, informatics and computer science is so intuitive for you. You thinking is literally shaped after that.